"The Guide To College" feat. Dominique Padurano

[00:00:00] Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said before teachers don't make a ton of money, but they're not in it for the money. They're in it to help people. I would say like 95% of teachers fit that characteristic. And when we hear from like, I still hear from former students that I had sometimes 1020 years ago and it just makes my day when I hear from former students.

[00:00:30] Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Intelligent Conversations podcast. Today I have the honor to learn from Dominique or otherwise known as Dr. P. Dr. P is a Harvard graduate who went on to teach at many elite public and private schools after some conflict. She decided to start crimson coaching, which helps individuals in the college application process.

[00:00:56] Dr. P helps students improve their SAT scores, essays and provides many more services to help students stand out in the college admissions process. She also helps them while they are in school. This conversation that I had with Dr. P was awesome to say the least.

[00:01:14] It was just so much information that I definitely benefit from this stage of life that I'm in right now. So it's really resonated with me. And it also was fun to just kind of hear her side and story of how life at times, although we want it to be step by step by step is not true.

[00:01:35] It is a path and you kind of take the path that you want. I don't want to spoil any of the rest of the show. This was a really great episode. So without further ado, let's welcome Dr. P to the show.

[00:01:48] Hi Dominique, I'm Josh. I'm very excited to learn just like I'll just I guess get right to it. There's three kind of goals that I have with this podcast. Number one, I try to keep the audience in mind here with, you know, the questions they may have.

[00:02:04] Then number two, I want you to have a great experience. And then the third, and this is kind of my selfish reason, I just get to learn from fascinating people. So that's, I mean, that's a plus. So that's why I do it.

[00:02:18] That's awesome. Can I ask what your business itself is all admit I didn't do that much research before this. So like what do you do? Is this your thing? A business?

[00:02:32] It's not a business, but it's kind of a passion project. So what I also do is I have a window cleaning company and that's kind of what I do to fund all this.

[00:02:42] Yeah, I try it. Yeah, I do that. So like probably right after this, I'll get right to that. And then, but this is yeah, this is kind of a passion project in mind.

[00:02:53] That's cool. And where are you're in Denver?

[00:02:56] Utah. So just one state over in the Salt Lake area. Oh, nice. Nice. So are you based in New York then? I am in Long Island in the suburbs.

[00:03:07] Oh, nice. That's awesome. My sister is actually going to school in a Pace University. I don't know if you.

[00:03:14] My cousin was there at the one in Manhattan or the one in Westchester? The one in Manhattan. So that was her dream. She's just like, I want to go out there and do it.

[00:03:25] So I'm like, props to you. And you guys grow up in the Salt Lake area? Yeah, we grew up in the Salt Lake area. So that's a big change. Wow. How's she doing?

[00:03:35] Good. Since last time I talked to her, which has been a while. Probably should do that. But yeah, no, she's what she wants to do. So awesome.

[00:03:45] It's fun. But I guess let's kind of dive into what you do. I want to hear what it is you do. And I know you tutor people to kind of get into schools and try and kind of pursue their dreams.

[00:04:01] I'll admit at first, I kind of when I was like, oh man, college admissions for the record. I haven't gone to school. I'm thinking about it. Just just letting you know.

[00:04:11] Yeah. But at first I was like, oh man, they're gonna this we might like butt heads. But then as I saw some of your stuff, I was like, oh wait, like we actually probably agree on a lot.

[00:04:23] Absolutely. You know, and it's funny because I don't come from a very academic family, right? There are some people, well, I should say a lot of people, especially back when I was applying to school, you know, almost 35 years ago now.

[00:04:36] You know, they came from generations of people that went to college and even generations of people who went to Harvard. And so I am not from a family like that. My dad was a New York City police officer.

[00:04:51] I can tell you that when I looked at his high school transcript and saw some of his grades, I was like, is that number out of 100?

[00:05:01] Are you?

[00:05:02] You would not mind me telling you that. My mom did attend FIT, which is Fashion Institute of Technologies, which today is a four year school, but back in the day it was a two year school.

[00:05:18] I'm very much a trade school for people who are going into pattern making or other aspects of the needle trades. But my parents always encourage their kids to do well in school.

[00:05:32] And so, you know, my brother sister and I all went on to college. Yeah, so that's cool. So tell me the story about like how you, I guess kind of came about wanting to go into Ivy League school.

[00:05:46] I mean, I don't want to judge or anything. But like just given the background, the story you kind of said there, it's like, you know what? I think I can get into Harvard. Like that wouldn't cross my mind if I was in your circumstances.

[00:05:59] And it's you know, when it's true, my high school was the type of high school where, you know, third of the kids didn't go to any type of college or they went to the military.

[00:06:11] A third of the kids went to the local community college and a third of the kids did go to four year schools, but they generally went to Sunnis, which is State University of New York.

[00:06:22] I was always a little bit of a fish out of water where I grew up though I kind of marched to the beat of my own drummer.

[00:06:30] So when I was about 16, I actually thought I wanted to go to an art school because I loved art. My mother had been to a fast school.

[00:06:41] But then as I got a little older, I thought, you know, maybe I should do a little bit more of an academic route. I thought maybe I'd want to be a lawyer.

[00:06:51] And no girl had ever gone, had ever gone to Harvard before me. My guidance counselor said, you know, so and so and so and so the year before you got rejected and their SAT score was higher than yours.

[00:07:05] So, you know, you really shouldn't get your heart set on it. But I thought, you know, I knew I was a valedictorian of a very large public high school.

[00:07:13] I had done very well in school and on AP exams pretty well on my SAT. And I thought, you know what? I'll just try it.

[00:07:22] And I did try it and they took me so I was like, okay, great.

[00:07:27] That's awesome.

[00:07:30] It's funny because I was so cool as a 17 year old. I applied to two other places I applied to Stanford, because it's deadline was before I would find out from Harvard.

[00:07:43] And I applied to Columbia which is in New York and I thought financial aid would be better. It was the same as Harvard.

[00:07:51] But I got accepted to all three. And when the acceptance to Stanford came, I thought I would be going to school on the beach in California.

[00:08:00] So I told my parents I wanted to go there.

[00:08:03] And my dad didn't want me to go so far away. So he said, well, if you're going there, you're going to get one plane ticket there and one plane ticket home.

[00:08:13] Don't think you're coming home on Thanksgiving and Easter and all these other holidays because we can't afford it.

[00:08:20] So that kind of I'm close to my family. So that kind of said, I could take the bus home from Harvard. I'll do that.

[00:08:29] Yeah, that's cool though. That's so cool.

[00:08:32] Man, I can tell you being here on the West Coast though the beaches are the beach is nice.

[00:08:38] And I understand the impact right that family can have on those decisions to and like going forward with it. So I guess now, right?

[00:08:49] I'm going to kind of do a quick blurb here because I really want to get to the good stuff but I know you then went to school became a teacher.

[00:08:59] Then didn't you go back to school? And then now you started your own company that helps students kind of pursue their dreams, academic dreams.

[00:09:12] I kind of in that right.

[00:09:14] Exactly. I mean, I'm really glad that I had about off and on between before my PhD and then after my PhD.

[00:09:23] I had a total of about 10 years teaching school full time and I would say for any of your listeners who don't know what they want to do when they grow up or get out of college.

[00:09:36] I want to tell them that's totally okay because when I got out of Harvard, you know, I didn't have a family that went to college so I didn't know what I could do and I really for four years.

[00:09:51] I had so many different kinds of jobs between working in a bank as an assistant to a big executive working as a paralegal.

[00:10:03] I tried freelance photography and then about four years later my mom said, you know, you've always tutored why don't you try teaching.

[00:10:13] I enrolled in a local master's in education program and the first time I stepped foot in front of a classroom. I was like, Oh, this is why God put me on the earth you know this is really what I'm supposed to do.

[00:10:28] I'm doing it for a PhD because I thought I would want to teach college and I do teach college part time now. But after that 10 years of teaching, I think I was a really good teacher, but I'm also a woman who has a Harvard degree and a PhD, and frankly, that can intimidate some bosses.

[00:10:55] And my final boss at my the final place I was teaching full time. We had some conflicts, and I, I wasn't fired on the spot I mean I was allowed to finish out my second year but I wasn't asked back for a third year.

[00:11:12] And so at that point I just said, you know what I'm 42 years old. I've always tutored on the side to make extra money, which is don't make that much money. Why don't I just see if I can make this a full time gig.

[00:11:25] And that was almost 10 years ago to the day that I did that so that's what I've been doing for the last 10.

[00:11:32] And that's what's so cool, I think is right like, I love how you shared there that you kind of thought, hey, I want I'm going to kind of be a lawyer, but then write something else new teaching and then you kind of went down that path.

[00:11:48] Then write some conflict came up. Didn't really want to do that. And then you're like, wait, but I have this other thing that I'm doing it's kind of going pretty well.

[00:11:57] Let's try this and right kind of go down that path and it kind of shows that no path is like linear it's not a step by step like do this and this and this it's hey, try some things out and see see kind of what sticks on the wall.

[00:12:12] So now let's kind of dive into your practice. How, how does that process look like? Let's just start there.

[00:12:21] So like a student comes to you. I'm assuming high school student mostly. But do you get like maybe adults or other people as well.

[00:12:31] I do so generally I would say, you know, 90% of the people who come to me are moms of high school students.

[00:12:41] The other 8% are maybe dads of high school students and then maybe 2% are adults themselves who are going back to school, whether it's for the first time to get a bachelor's or I recently had a student who was in a master's program but

[00:13:00] he hadn't been in a serious academic program for over 30 years. And so he needed some help in terms of how to study how to organize and things like that.

[00:13:10] So, but yeah, the bulk of my practice is high school students who are either preparing for the SAT or ACT admissions exams or writing their college application essays, but I still do some academic subject matter.

[00:13:29] So for example, I'm working with a student now in Florida who's preparing for the AP human geography exam. So it's kind of that's that's sort of a fill in throughout the year.

[00:13:41] I mean this is a weird sign. No, I actually took that exam. How'd you do in high school? I got a four so nice.

[00:13:49] It's a hard exam. I mean this boy is a freshman and I think it's a really tough exam to take as a ninth grader.

[00:13:57] Yeah, that's actually the same year I took it as well was ninth grade. I have to say they'll give credit to the teacher. The teacher was phenomenal, did an excellent job and pretty much all I did was show up to class and he did such a great job that I didn't even have to like worry about studying

[00:14:13] things like that. That's just kind of how I learned to is once I hear it or once I see it, especially it's like alright like stored in the back of my brain don't need to worry about it.

[00:14:23] Have you ever written him an email to thank him for how much he prepared you? I'm sure you will.

[00:14:28] I'm going to do that. That's actually a good idea. I should do that because man, yeah, he was one of my favorite teachers and just yeah overall awesome.

[00:14:40] Yeah, I mean you know like I said before teachers don't make a ton of money but they're not in it for the money. They're in it to help people. I would say like 95% of teachers fit that characteristic and when we hear for like I still hear from former students that I had sometimes 1020 years ago and it just makes my day when I hear from former students.

[00:15:04] Okay, no I'm going to keep that in mind. I'm going to do that right after the sentence because I'm sure he'd love that. Yeah, but I will say this too. I also had some pretty terrible teachers that kind of really deterred me from subjects and I'm like oh my gosh I hate this.

[00:15:18] And then it was actually starting this podcast that I'm like especially math. I hate hated math but then I actually had a guy on and I'm like that's actually not that bad and it's kind of cool. It's just how was presented in a high school setting to me.

[00:15:34] I was just like dude I hate this like I hate this and but it kind of goes both ways.

[00:15:39] You get that with every subject what I always say is that if you take, you know 100% of the students right there are 10% that are going to love the subject. No matter how bad of a teacher or just because they love that subject right.

[00:15:54] Yeah.

[00:15:55] The opposite end of the 10% there 10% that are going to hate the subject, no matter how good you are because for whatever reasons they just don't like you they don't like school they're having emotional problems.

[00:16:09] I think that the teacher plays like adds the most value to that 80% in the middle and if you are an engaging teacher that cares about students and is good at your craft, you're going to sway that 80% with that first 10% and if you're a terrible teacher that 80% is going to go the other way.

[00:16:32] And it can get out of control pretty quick too.

[00:16:35] Yeah, I'll admit I was kind of I'd be the one that would be pulling pranks that those I admit it I admit it now but to all my teachers if they're listening to this.

[00:16:47] I'm sorry if you were wondering about some of those pranks they were probably me but yeah it was but like I agree to your point full ease the classes that I actually tended to enjoy quite a bit.

[00:17:01] Were the teachers that just love like you could tell themselves that they loved what they were doing.

[00:17:06] And I even found it was the teachers that were willing to make you like almost what's the right word, like they would ask questions that would make you ask questions like wait never thought of it like that and then I would ask a question.

[00:17:19] And you just, you know, you get down a rabbit hole and next thing you know, you just really love that subject and like well I didn't even know.

[00:17:29] Yeah, I mean passion is underrated I'll never forget when I was like 26 years old and in my very first job which was very difficult I was a leave replacement for a teacher a beloved teacher who had passed away after 25 years at that school.

[00:17:46] And the students were kind came from very wealthy backgrounds and they had kind of ripped through eight substitute teachers before me.

[00:17:54] And they all left. And I came in and it was my very first full time gig and I mean, I won't and I won't say it was easy, but I kind of began to win over the students and I'll never forget there's this one girl in the first row I was talking about World War one.

[00:18:11] And she's like, it is so cute how into World War one you are.

[00:18:18] Oh, that's awesome.

[00:18:23] You know, I mean, most 16 year olds are not going to be into World War one but if you're into it and you can help them see its impact on their life, then you might get them into it too.

[00:18:35] That's cool.

[00:18:36] I think that's so cool.

[00:18:38] So this is kind of a question I have and that's so right high school was fun. You learn stuff kind of man we went down a rabbit hole there with the human geography, but I decided right after I'm like you know I'll start a podcast started window cleaning company.

[00:18:56] I want to see how that goes and you know now as I'm doing both of those I'm like, I think I need some more skills and need something right I kind of recognized doing it on my own I can only get so far.

[00:19:09] I kind of need someone at some point to kind of guide me along the way.

[00:19:16] So, I kind of always feel weird though like kind of going because I feel like I kind of missed my chance to just go to school right you were supposed to go right after high school.

[00:19:25] And it's like, well now what like how do you even navigate those waters.

[00:19:30] It's never too late I'll tell you, you know, most people think for example, like riding a bicycle is something you learn to do when you're a kid right like how old were you when you learned how to ride a bicycle.

[00:19:44] Like, I can't remember like three. Yeah.

[00:19:49] Right. Well, I learned when I was 34 years old.

[00:19:52] I am a klutz and very double jointed I broke a lot of bones as a kid.

[00:20:00] But I had a friend who's super into mountain biking and he was like, this is ridiculous you can learn how to ride a bike.

[00:20:09] And a parking lot and you tell me how to ride a bike.

[00:20:15] So I always tell people when they think it's too late to do something like if I can learn how to ride a bicycle at 34 years old, learn how to go to school.

[00:20:25] It really is.

[00:20:26] I mean, will it take perhaps more persistence because now you have more responsibilities maybe you're paying rent and you have to work and you know your free time isn't all about.

[00:20:39] Free right like it was when you were high school.

[00:20:42] So you might have to study on your own for the SAT and things like that.

[00:20:46] But I really believe where there's a will there's a way I mean there was a lady from I think she was from Mississippi old African American lady she was like 90 years old and she got her bachelor's degree because that's cool.

[00:21:01] Long dream.

[00:21:02] I mean so if she can do it, you definitely can do it.

[00:21:06] Well, thank you.

[00:21:07] Thank you for the encouragement.

[00:21:08] So I mean this is just kind of my thoughts because I just applied to the local area but then I didn't really know what to do afterwards.

[00:21:16] It's like, okay, I applied and I kind of have a few areas I know I want to go into.

[00:21:23] But like, whereas I found like with the 18 year olds right they have high school counselors helping them.

[00:21:31] And there's like the admissions counts they're helping them.

[00:21:36] And you're kind of stuck there and you're like, hey, like can someone help me figure out a way like what classes do I need to take or things like that.

[00:21:46] So like is there someone specific I need to reach out to her.

[00:21:50] Well, I think there's two separate things right for once or in the college.

[00:21:55] There are counselors and advisors in the college who can help you figure out what classes I need to take and that thing for my major right.

[00:22:04] But before that, I mean there's two ways.

[00:22:08] There are people like me who do this for a living, who help students apply.

[00:22:14] But there are also I mean, for example, I have a YouTube and all my videos are free on college planning for ninth and 10th graders applying to college one step at a time and granted most of those are intended for students who are already in high school.

[00:22:33] But there's no reason why someone like you can't go to YouTube comm slash crimson coaching and watch like I have like 30 videos on different aspects of the application process.

[00:22:44] So again, you know it's a little time consuming to do it on your own but if you do put the effort in like I always recommend for any big project like this to suit whether it's kids currently in high school trying to figure out where they want to go.

[00:23:02] I say try to devote a half hour a day to this goal, you know whether it's writing a research paper or figuring out where you want to go to college.

[00:23:13] And if you can do something for a half hour a day thinking you know it's like a savings account if you put in $10 a week by the end of the year, you know you'll have $520 plus interest which is nice.

[00:23:28] Yeah, it compounds over time.

[00:23:30] Yeah.

[00:23:31] Okay, I like that.

[00:23:33] Yeah.

[00:23:34] So, I mean, this is just thought I had when you said YouTube.

[00:23:39] I've been using that just to figure stuff out.

[00:23:44] And I mean it's cool that you have a page there as well.

[00:23:47] But I'm curious to kind of get your thoughts maybe what's the contrast between because I think YouTube, you can kind of ask a question and kind of get the answer pretty pretty quicker.

[00:23:59] I would say then maybe taking a class.

[00:24:02] However, like what maybe kind of gives the class maybe the edge over just a YouTube video.

[00:24:10] I think the fact that anybody and their grandmother can post a video to YouTube proclaiming to be an expert is the thing that you really want to watch out for because nothing is sort of vetted versus for example,

[00:24:28] if I teach at City University of New York as an adjunct professor of history, they verify that I have a PhD in history, that I have publications in history, that I know what I'm talking about versus some guy in his basement who just watches the history channel all day

[00:24:50] and may spout things that aren't actually true.

[00:24:53] So YouTube is a great tool, but I think you need to be really kind of an informed customer when you go to a place like YouTube to make sure that the folks who are talking there know what they're talking about.

[00:25:12] Another great resource for you and anybody applying to college is not created by me, although I've been a guest on this other podcast twice is called Tests and the Rest.

[00:25:25] And it's a podcast run by two test prep coaches, but they have really top notch guests who talk about all aspects of college admissions and testing.

[00:25:37] And even me as someone who's been in the field for 30 years, I listen to them and I feel like I learned something new in every 20 25 minute episode, which is, I think pretty impressive.

[00:25:50] So I recommend that as a starting point to like use use the tools is at your disposal right like the internet's a great thing.

[00:25:58] Yeah, and could help you during those classes. But in terms of the quality maybe of the information you're getting right the classes may be better.

[00:26:10] And I would also say like, I mean this is just college as a whole but one thing I've realized too is just peers. You have a lot more peers your age around there and just, you know, you meet more people doing cool things.

[00:26:27] And are excited to learn what you're learning. Sometimes you'll share something cool you're doing with even just a family member night.

[00:26:36] It's kind of cool, but I don't really care.

[00:26:39] The end of the day.

[00:26:42] And it's like man when you're talking about your stuff I'm gonna say the same thing.

[00:26:46] Yeah, I mean, you know the Frank Bruni who's a reporter for the New York Times. I think he actually is a columnist.

[00:26:54] He wrote an article I think he came out in 2018 where he says there are two important skills that students need to get out of college and if they get these skills it doesn't matter whether they go to their local community college or Harvard.

[00:27:14] They will be successful and those skills are networking with peers and getting a mentor because the networking with peers not only is it going to make your college experience more fun.

[00:27:27] It's also going to serve as a potential professional resource for you throughout your life.

[00:27:34] And the mentor doesn't have to be a professor or someone much older than you per se.

[00:27:42] A mentor could even be somebody two years older than you who's already gone through exactly the steps that you've gone through and can kind of show you the ropes.

[00:27:52] And I have to say, you know, I was lucky and then I went to what, you know, a very famous well known college and that has certainly opened doors for me.

[00:28:05] And I definitely did, I guess the networking part I didn't look at it as networking I looked at it as more just having fun with other students.

[00:28:15] I did not get a mentor because I was always embarrassed about going to office hours. I didn't think that my questions would be, I don't know, I didn't think I had anything to say to my professors and I missed out on that opportunity.

[00:28:31] So I would say to, you know, anyone going to whatever college you're going to definitely getting a mentor is an important part of the college experience.

[00:28:42] That's good. So for a mentor, kind of I guess what I mean you mentioned office hours is a great way to find them but what, what's another way you could, you could find like find a mentor as well like what do you look for when looking for a mentor.

[00:29:00] That's a great question. I always say start with office hours because those are, you know, required of the professor I mean they have to be there right and I'll tell you as an adjunct professor.

[00:29:13] I've been teaching since the last week of January this semester right.

[00:29:18] The first time any kid showed up for office hours was this past Wednesday because they have a final project do in a few weeks.

[00:29:26] And I'm actually getting paid for this office hour and I just sit there and I respond to emails because nobody comes. So definitely show up to office hour and I always tell students if you feel a little weird about speaking to a professor one on one bring a friend bring two friends, you know,

[00:29:46] and then you can all get to know that person. Another potential mentor would be your advisor. Another potential mentor could be a coach of a sports team or the director of a show like whatever your activity is the person in charge of that.

[00:30:09] And then finally, again it could be a student a year or two above you. So if you feel like you really hit it off with someone and sometimes there are just other students like I remember going through school and being a younger student and be like, wow that person really seems like they have their act together.

[00:30:28] I want to be like that person.

[00:30:30] They probably can right everyone's everyone's trying to figure stuff out.

[00:30:36] Yeah, but they might have figured out just a little bit more than you because they are older. And that could really help you on your journey like I remember in high school. There was this girl her name was Paula and she she dressed so cool and she was really smart.

[00:30:54] But I was always really intimidated and I knew who she was but I never talked to her. And she went to Vassar College which is a private it's not Ivy League but it's a college, great college that most students didn't go to.

[00:31:09] And I think about now oh if I had just talked to her, maybe I would have been like less confused about applying to Harvard so you know that's something I think that's important too.

[00:31:21] Just ultimately be friendly right to everyone just right that might be the best policy. And yeah maybe you stumble upon a mentor that can help guide you and that yeah that's something I think we all need.

[00:31:39] Well, I don't want to take any more of your time thank you for sharing the knowledge you've shared today. If one quick thing though if people want to reach out to you get coaching from you ask questions whatever maybe what's the best way that they can get a hold of you all that fun stuff.

[00:31:55] I will share that but can I say one more thing about getting a mentor that I just thought I also think it's and this is kind of straddles networking to I will also say, it's really important to lean in and what I mean by that is like so for example, for my 10th and 15th reunion from

[00:32:17] Harvard I never went because I didn't have money I was a poor graduate student you know making $12,000 a year and everyone else so I felt was like making all this money.

[00:32:29] But you know what I started to go back on my 20th reconnected with people. And in my 25th 25th reunion at Harvard is like a really big deal.

[00:32:39] And many people were there and then after that I started posting little videos about what I do on our class Facebook page.

[00:32:49] I have gotten so many business referrals and actual clients either from my class, or people they've referred me to. And if I had never gotten over feeling like shy and awkward about doing that that number would have come to me.

[00:33:09] So I think also people, you know, if you want something to step out of your comfort zone a little bit, it can pay off and then it gets easier every other time you do that. But that's my little spiel so in wanted.

[00:33:24] No, that's great no that's a great way to end it right there and yeah can we get now kind of information.

[00:33:31] Sure. So the easiest way to get in touch with me is by either going to contact page of my website which is crimsoncoaching.com, or you can just email me directly at info at crimsoncoaching.com.

[00:33:46] And if you're not ready to, you know, make that step. You can also sign up for a monthly newsletter at crimsoncoaching.com slash newsletter where, you know, I have every month I give a number of virtual and in person talks, mostly virtual still though.

[00:34:07] So, you know, you can kind of get to know me safely, you know with your camera turned off the audience if that feels safer for you.

[00:34:16] Awesome.

[00:34:18] Well thank you Dominique for coming on and sharing the knowledge and wisdom I know I benefited and I know the listeners did as well so thank you for sharing the knowledge which you did.

[00:34:29] Alright everyone as you can tell that is Dr. P. She's a very intelligent person has great things to share.

[00:34:34] I challenge you guys if anything stood out to you to reach out to her.

[00:34:37] I'm sure she'd be happy to help and if you're interested in her services, she provided you some information there to get the help that you need.

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